NBC: 'Grimm' Is Certain To Be Renewed; Why Do Fans Want It Moved From Friday?

Categories: Cancel/Renew Index,Cancel/Renew NBC Shows

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March 19th, 2013

Click this link for the latest NBC renewal / cancellation information:

Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013.  (includes results from December 31, 2012- March 10, 2013):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Do No Harm* canceled 0.50
Smash canceled 0.65
Animal Practice* canceled 0.66
The New Normal :oops: 0.77
1600 Penn :oops: 0.78
Guys With Kids* :oops: 0.81
Whitney :| :| :| 0.90
Deception :oops: 0.90
Go On :| :| :| 0.90
Community :| :| :| 0.92
30 Rock* final season complete 0.93
Grimm (F) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.01
Parenthood* :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.08
Parks & Recreation :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.14
Law & Order: SVU :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.21
Chicago Fire :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.43
The Office final season 1.43
Up All Night :oops: pending
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: pending

The cancellation bear has been predicting that Grimm was certain to be renewed all season, why put it in the headline now? First, it hadn't been in the headline all season. Second, the headline question is one that often comes up in our comments. Third, the bear's still treading water on making any more definitive predictions on the three "toss up" sitcoms. (Community's dive back to a 1.1 rating last week got the bear to tread water even longer).

Back to the headline question. If a show is certain to be renewed, why should fans care when it airs? (other than personal scheduling like "I party on Fridays").

Typical responses to that question are along the lines of "It deserves better". What does that even mean? The best a TV show can hope for (from a fan's perspective) is renewal.

To pre-emptively answer those who'll howl that Smash has not been canceled, shows that are moved to Saturday in the middle of their run are canceled. To argue otherwise makes you look silly. Or worse.

Better to Follow The Bear, Than Be Chased By Him. This season you can follow the Cancellation Bear on Twitter via @TheCancelBear. The Cancellation Bear will retweet all the Renew/Cancel Index post titles and links as well as engage in a little more back and forth banter than we do on our standard @TVbytheNumbers Twitter feed.

*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.

From now through the end of the broadcast season in May, the Renew/Cancel Index values will only be calculated using new episodes airing during 2013. However, until new episodes of a show air in 2013, I will keep the "old"  Fall predictions in the table.

Want to know what the NBC Renew/Cancel Index table looked like at the end of the Fall season? Click here.


  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

How would the Renew / Cancel Index Have Done Predicting Last Season's Scripted Show Fates? Check out how the Renew / Cancel Index predicted renewals and cancellations from past television seasons.

  • gerry

    @ gene – well, i love parenthood, but i hope they just leave it airing where it is. i don’t need to brag about about it. i just want it to stay on the air, thanks.

  • Gene


    I don’t really think that would be a bad thing. NBC ran Dateline and Rock Center together earlier in February, and they did decently. Plus it helps that newsmagazines cost like a tenth of scripted shows, and I prefer them to realities.

  • Tommy M.

    @ Joseph,

    If NBC wanted to use Grimm to help them with the ratings in their Sun-Thurs timeslots they would have moved it by now. I think NBC is perfectly happy with it airing on Fridays and they will likely keep it there because it works. If it’s not broke, don’t fix it, and NBC has plenty of other nights to fix. Friday’s are the least of their worries.

  • Bill

    I’m fine with Grimm on friday nights, as i have too many other things recording every other night of the week except for friday and saturday.

  • Dan S

    I have no problem with Grimm staying on Fridays if they’d at least pair it with a compatible show. Sandwiched between low rated crap like Fashion Star & Rock Center can be a detriment. Why not flip Hannibal to Fri & RC back to Thur ? When the season started they proposed airing 2 low rated comedies at 8 before going with reruns. This show has a lot of potential so NBC needs to better protect it.

  • SarahL

    Grimm belongs on Friday.

  • Theoacme

    @Jonny C…. formerly Jon …but when was the last time an NBC drama has been successful at that timeslot?

    Thursdays at 9 C / 10 E? Easy: when Neela Rasgotra was on broadcast television (my wife would have said Doug Ross) ~giggles~

    Which is a perfect segue to the state of the National Biscuit Company – they are in the ER, and a priest has been called for last rites…but he is stuck on the I-5, so NBC, the patient, is going to suffer.

    I agree that Grimm where it is, is the best place for it. If NBC wanted to do a compatible (horror) show, just play the tapes of all NBC meetings when Jeff Zucker was in charge…

    …or they could air reruns of Chuck (I have to get Bill and Robert higher page views somehow!)

  • s0303

    i like grimm and i love it on friday…it’s totally safe there…besides it has been tested on thursdays and mondays and it doesn’t do much better on those nights…

  • Brien

    If any of those three get cancelled it better be Whitney. Lowest ratings of the three have been pretty precise. If community gets cancelled over that, it would be sick because Whitney does not own veteran status which community does, plus better ratings and a better ad focus group.

  • Brian J

    @TSC’s Revenge:

    First of all, amusing name. Second, why do you think Revolution will drop?

  • Gene


    Haha. I like the idea about the meetings with Zucker. It would be like a reality/uncensored version of 30 Rock.

  • tvwatcher

    Given the high-level intelligence of NBC programmers, at this stage I would rather that Grimm remained where it is, rather than moving it at
    a. 10 pm on a weeknight.
    2. Airing it in the summer, like it did in August 2012, and coming up with a 4-month hiatus.

    NBC, in its infinite wisdom, hasn’t ever aired Grimm with a suitable lead-in, or on a weekday at 8 or 9 pm. So, let’s leave it where it is. It was a self-starter and it has its own fanbase by now.

  • Brian J


    First of all, Grimm will be renewed. If NBC doesn’t renew it, I have no hope for the network executives, because they will have revealed themselves to be idiots.

    Second, I don’t think only CBS will run scripted programming. I don’t see ABC moving Last Man Standing from the night, since it has established a foothold, however small, on the night. I also think NBC will run at least one show there, since it will want to buy a lot of scripted programming to maximize its chances at finding a hit. I could see Fox giving up on scripted programming, however.

    A good schedule for NBC might be to put TBL there, as it might be able to pull a 2.0, and would serve as a good lead-in for scripted shows, followed by After Hours or Ironside, followed by SVU until midseason, followed by another new drama.

  • Mickey


    Back to the headline question. If a show is certain to be renewed, why should fans care when it airs? (other than personal scheduling like “I party on Fridays”).

    Typical responses to that question are along the lines of “It deserves better”. What does that even mean? The best a TV show can hope for (from a fan’s perspective) is renewal.

    I don’t have a horse in this race, but were I a fan of Grimm, then I might want to see it on another night not for the sake of renewal this spring, but for the sake of renewals for many springs after that.

    I’m no expert, but it seems conceivable to me that a show might die out faster on Friday nights. Is that not why they call Fridays “the night where shows go to die”?

    By that logic, its ratings might remain stronger for longer on another night. In a season or two, maybe Grimm fans won’t be so gung-ho about the show anymore, and prefer to go out and party rather than stay home and watch it live. But were it on a school night, even once they become more casual viewers they might continue to watch it live because they’re not giving up a party to do so, they’re at home anyway. And if the ratings remain stronger for longer, that would lead to more renewals and more seasons for fans to enjoy.

    Sampling on weeknights has not demonstrated it would rate higher, but what we don’t know is if the ratings would fall away faster on Fridays and stay at current levels longer on weeknights. I thought NBC treated Grimm poorly by premiering it on Fridays and isn’t doing much better by it now by giving it sucky lead ins. NBC should at least give it a good, compatible lead-in if it intends to keep it on Fridays. Grimm is holding its own remarkably well so far, but they should give it a better shot at a longer run.

  • Mickey

    Also, YAY Chicago Fire is back in first place (tied with the Office.)

    I’m going to enjoy that while I can before Revolution returns next week.

  • Joseph

    The “magic number” for Grimm is to get four full seasons (between 88 and 104 episodes, depending on how many episodes a season are produced) so it’s reruns can be syndicated to local TV stations (and/or a major cable network) and be “stripped” (broadcast Monday-through-Friday).

    The real money in prime-time (except for newsmagazines and some reality shows) is not when a show is in production, but when reruns of those shows get syndicated.

    Often, syndicated reruns are the only way the producers of a scripted prime-time recoup the costs of producing their shows.

  • Joseph


    I meant “producers of a scripted prime-time series recoup the costs of producing their shows”.

  • omabin

    For a long time, I was against moving something that was working on a Friday elsewhere, so I did not want Grimm to move. This spring however, I think it is kind of ridiculous what happened. NBC could have easily kept the night of new magazines (and put fashion star there if it really wanted to), because as much as I like Grimm, it is doing thaaat better than dateline was, especially because rock center is less compatible with it. On the other side of the spectrum, you have a tuesday post the voice slot wide open and with no prohibitive competition and also a new show highly compatible with grimm begging for a lead-in… I just don’t get it in all honesty. They could have made a the voice/grimm/hannibal on tuesdays and would have a strong block with very minor damages on fridays, potentially a new hit drama on hannibal and potentially a stronger grimm next year if they wanted to send it back to fridays. As for the fall, I think an all genre night with it paired with revolution and another show of the likes could work, but right now I think they don’t need it, so they could heave it on fridays, as long as there is at least one decent show paired with it.

    My schedule:

    The Voice
    The Voice
    New Drama

    The Voice
    New Drama (The Sixth Gun?)

    The Biggest Looser*/Parenthood
    The Biggest Looser/ New Drama [Post Olympics Launch and Promotion]
    Chicago Fire

    Parks and Recreation
    New Comedy
    New Comedy
    Law and Order: SVU

    [Just pick their two best comedies and make sure they work. Spend hundreds of dollar promoting them. At this point, NBC could learn one thing from the cw: if your schedule is not stable and as no depth, comedies are not a good idea yet…. So I say just focus on two big ones that can self-start a la modern family, while giving likely final seasons to community and parks. If big bang is moved from 8pm, they can try to launch two other comedies at 8 there midseason using the Olympics to promote them. Yeah yeah, I know there is no chance they cut back their comedy hours in half, but I think at this point they should tbh]


    *Note that due to the Olympics, there is no need for a filler reality show in between the voice cycles, so the biggest looser can be used during the fall. I don’t think the x-factor next season will be that much harder to face than the bachelor was this season to be honest.

    This would give them:
    – two post the voice new drama slots;
    – a still very much protected slot for revolution;
    – a reliable lead-in for chicago fire and no need to move it, thus somehow maximizing it chances of growing further;
    – a reliable show to solve the thursdays 10pm problem;

    Thoughts? This schedule is the hardest one to make I must say

  • Dude

    Why was Deception moved to certain cancellation? I know it’s likely going to happen but with it’s recent ratings upswing (okay, one point isn’t a big deal) I just found it odd that it was downgraded.

  • Jacob

    Obviously a show that has been moved to Saturday will not be renewed = cancellation

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