NBC: 'Grimm' Is Certain To Be Renewed; Why Do Fans Want It Moved From Friday?

Categories: Cancel/Renew Index,Cancel/Renew NBC Shows

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March 19th, 2013

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013.  (includes results from December 31, 2012- March 10, 2013):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Do No Harm* canceled 0.50
Smash canceled 0.65
Animal Practice* canceled 0.66
The New Normal :oops: 0.77
1600 Penn :oops: 0.78
Guys With Kids* :oops: 0.81
Whitney :| :| :| 0.90
Deception :oops: 0.90
Go On :| :| :| 0.90
Community :| :| :| 0.92
30 Rock* final season complete 0.93
Grimm (F) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.01
Parenthood* :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.08
Parks & Recreation :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.14
Law & Order: SVU :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.21
Chicago Fire :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.43
The Office final season 1.43
Up All Night :oops: pending
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: pending

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The Cancellation Bear has been predicting that Grimm was certain to be renewed all season, why put it in the headline now? First, it hadn't been in the headline all season. Second, the headline question is one that often comes up in our comments. Third, the bear's still treading water on making any more definitive predictions on the three "toss up" sitcoms. (Community's dive back to a 1.1 rating last week got the bear to tread water even longer).

Back to the headline question. If a show is certain to be renewed, why should fans care when it airs? (other than personal scheduling like "I party on Fridays").

Typical responses to that question are along the lines of "It deserves better". What does that even mean? The best a TV show can hope for (from a fan's perspective) is renewal.

To pre-emptively answer those who'll howl that Smash has not been canceled, shows that are moved to Saturday in the middle of their run are canceled. To argue otherwise makes you look silly. Or worse.

Better to Follow The Bear, Than Be Chased By Him. This season you can follow the Cancellation Bear on Twitter via @TheCancelBear. The Cancellation Bear will retweet all the Renew/Cancel Index post titles and links as well as engage in a little more back and forth banter than we do on our standard @TVbytheNumbers Twitter feed.
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*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.

From now through the end of the broadcast season in May, the Renew/Cancel Index values will only be calculated using new episodes airing during 2013. However, until new episodes of a show air in 2013, I will keep the "old"  Fall predictions in the table.

Want to know what the NBC Renew/Cancel Index table looked like at the end of the Fall season? Click here.

Notes:

  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

How would the Renew / Cancel Index Have Done Predicting Last Season's Scripted Show Fates? Check out how the Renew / Cancel Index predicted renewals and cancellations from past television seasons.

 
  • TSC’s Revenge

    First of all, amusing name.

    Thanks! ;) 

    Second, why do you think Revolution will drop?

    First I think the viewing public seems very reticent to support highly serialized shows as it is, i.e. Fringe, Alcatraz, Zero Hour, Last Resort, etc.  The reason they tend to struggle (even ones with a strong storyline), is that once a viewer skips an episode or two, it takes more effort than what it is worth to catch back up on what’s going on.  Moreover, folks might commit to watching a few episodes; however, it is quite another matter to commit to following an entire series.

    Secondly, I think it was a mistake to split the first season the way NBC did on Revolution.  We’ll see if it hurts or not…

     Thirdly, I think the overall story on Revolution is a bit weak.  There’s a lot of action, however, the plot is very thin.  Furthermore, the science behind the entire show remains completely unexplained and laughably weak. 

    Of course, this is all simply my opinion… I could very well be wrong on the direction of future ratings.  There are a lot of shows that are essentially brainless out there that are doing quite well.  It’s easy to overestimate the taste and intellectual acuity of the American TV viewing public. 

  • Ultima

    @Dude
    Why was Deception moved to certain cancellation? I know it’s likely going to happen but with it’s recent ratings upswing

    Each of the past two weeks, it tied its series low.

    Last night’s airing isn’t included in this renew/cancel index (and I’m sure the small uptick was entirely due to The Biggest Loser anyways).

  • THE OLD MAN

    THE KIDS Can watch Grimm on their smartphones so the party excuse is lame (not to mention it wasn’t exactly a ratings “winner” in the other slots it aired).

    GRIMM is perfect Friday Fodder! Leave it alone I say.

  • ann

    I’m a big fan of Grimm and I do not want to see it moved off Fridays because I think it would struggle more against stiffer competition on any other night. A show of this genre seems a good fit for Fridays.

  • rob60990

    There’s no reason to move Grimm. It’s the only show currently propping up their Friday nights. What NBC needs to do is air it with a compatible show.

  • RS

    Grimm will be around for years to come if it stays on Friday. The competition is less and the audience is there (see Supernatural on the CW – 8 seasons). I too want Grimm paired with a genre appropriate show. I’m not into retention (I know when my shows are on and I have a remote control), but I’m buying into the Holistic approach – the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I base this on the Arrow/Supernatural Wed. night. I think they support each other. A genre appropriate show could do the same with Grimm (see the highest rated Grimm – paired with Mockingbird Lane – yes, and near Halloween and a wonderful, publicized Latin American ghost story).

  • stevenD

    Grimm will stay on Fridays for next season, just so they can get 4 seasons and syndication. So for 2014-2015, I think we can talk about it moving.

  • Grandma

    It would be completely idiotic for a Grimm fan to want it move from Fridays. It would not do any better anywhere else in the schedule, and the fact that it’s rating is such and it’s on a Friday works on its favor to get renewed season after season. If it gets moved to a new night next season, it would just get crushed by the competition and it would get cancelled. I guarantee it. So please, stop asking for it to be moved, it’s an idiotic notion.

  • Jonay

    Will NBC move Chicago Fire next season???

  • Anthony

    In fairness I don’t think many actual fans of the show want it moved. It is other people who don’t watch the show that somehow think that it will help NBC to move it to another night. I love the show, and don’t want it moved. Firstly I don’t really see it helping the network very much (if at all). It would be stupid to move it. It’s too much of a risk. It isn’t like it is going to move and double it audience. The best they could hope for is a modest increase in viewership (which I don’t see happening). The more likely scenario would be that it either stays at the same ratings level (which a 1.4 for a drama on a Mon-Thur night isn’t good even on NBC) or possibly even drop in the ratings- which would be awful. Given the fact that it is solid and consistent in it’s current timeslot, it’s owned by NBC (and being that it is two seasons away from syndication) I don’t see why they would risking killing the show.

  • Hugh

    Here’s why. Most shows fall a bit every year. If it was an another day and was higher rated this season, it maybe a bit more likely for it to be renewed the season after next.

    Even though NBC has a lower Friday renewal threshold.

  • HAPPY!

    Monday
    The Voice
    9:30 NEW COMEDY
    10 Revolution

    Tuesday
    The Voice
    NEW DRAMA
    Parenthood

    Wednesday
    The Voice (for the first 8 weeks)/Dateline/The Biggest Loser (after Olympics)
    Chicago Fire
    NEW DRAMA

    Thursday
    Community/Parks and Rec (moves to 8 after Olympics)
    Parks and Recreation/NEW COMEDY (after Olympics)
    Go On/NEW COMEDY (after Olympics)
    Whitney/NEW COMEDY (after Olympics)
    Law and Order: SVU

    Friday
    Grimm
    Rock Center or Dateline
    Grimm
    NEW DRAMA

    Sunday (post Olympics)
    Dateline
    8 The Celebrity Apprentice
    10 Ready For Love

  • Fake Me Out

    SO many here have said moving Grimm would be stupid, idiotic, foolhardy, a bad move, ratings suicide, etc etc … I now fear we fans may have cursed the show … how can a NBC exec resist making a move that hits all the chords in their theme song …

    NBC Management, making stupid look like a step up since 2008

    “I wet myself …” — Bob Greenblatt, NBC Honcho

  • JP

    It’s the end of the week and alot of people go out for dinner and drinks, so you have to worry about getting home on time to watch it:)

  • JP

    I really like deception and think that it maybe on at the wrong time slot, it really wasn’t givin a chance. I wanna find out what happens

  • HV

    What do you think of my schedule?

    MONDAY
    8:00 The Voice (Sept. 9)/Biggest Loser (Jan. 6)/The Voice (Mar. 31)
    10:00 Revolution (Sept. 9) (15 ep)/Dracula (Jan. 6) (10 ep)/Revolution (Mar. 31) (9 ep)

    TUESDAY
    8:00 The Voice (Sept. 10)/Betty White’s Off Their Rockers (Jan. 7)/The Voice (Apr. 1)
    9:00 Go On (Sept. 10) (24 ep)
    9:30 The New Normal (Sept. 10) (22 ep–canceled)
    10:00 Parenthood (FINAL) (Sept. 10) (13 ep)/Rand Ravich (NEW) (Mar. 4) (13 ep)

    WEDNESDAY
    8:00 MJF (NEW) (Sept. 18) (24 ep)//Girlfriend in a Coma (NEW) (Apr. 9) (8 ep–canceled)
    8:30 Robert Padnick (NEW) (Sept. 18) (22 ep)//Holding Paterns (NEW) (Mar. 26) (10 ep)
    9:00 Law & Order: SVU (Sept. 11) (24 ep)
    10:00 Chicago Fire (Sept. 11) (24 ep)

    THURSDAY
    8:00 Community (Sept. 12) (10 ep–canceled)/Joe, Joe, and Jane (Jan. 9) (13 ep)
    8:30 Parks & Recreation (FINAL) (Sept. 12) (24 ep)
    9:00 The Gates (NEW) (Sept. 19) (22 ep)
    9:30 Undateable (NEW) (Sept. 19) (22 ep)
    10:00 Dateline NBC (Sept. 5)/The Black List (NEW) (Jan. 9) (16 ep–canceled)

    FRIDAY
    8:00 Crossbones (NEW) (Sept. 20) (19 ep)//Grimm (Mar. 28) (10 ep)
    9:00 Grimm (Sept. 20) (10 ep)/Dateline NBC (Jan. 2)
    10:00 Rock Center with Brian Williams (Sept. 6)

    In this past week, I changed Tuesday @ 10:00. Originally I had 10 episodes of Parenthood, 9 of Smash, followed by its cancelation, and 10 episodes of Rand Ravich. This week I completely eliminated Smash, added three episodes to each of Parenthood and Rand Ravich, and moved Rand Ravich’s premire date.

  • Brian J

    So many skeptics. Why is it hard to see a show growing its audience? It’s a nice alternative for what else is on most other nights, and many of NBC’s pilots are good fits for it and seem higher profile. If its audience will follow it anywhere, why wouldn’t it follow the show back to Fridays if it moved back there at some point? It’d be a risk, sure, sometimes risks need to be taken in order to grow. Look at CBS and TBBT.

    HV:

    I’m confused. Why renew these shows just to cancel them a season later? Also, why not change up the schedule more?

  • Mr Mojo

    I would love to see NBC go all campy on Friday night. Grimm is a success so build on that, don’t move it and don’t destroy it with crap around it. Build on it with more shows that fit that mold like Crossbones. Having a news program follow Grim is like putting the Golden Girls on after Community. Even if NBC Does not have another show in the pipes right now, move some younger hipper comedies to the first hour, then have Grimm 2nd and Crossbones on the 3rd.

    Anyone else old enough to remember when Friday night was a night for Great TV. Ever since the constant idea of every Friday is another “Blockbuster” Movie release in theaters TV has kind of given up on the night.

  • Jonny C…. formerly Jon

    @ Brian

    Because it’s NBC. They should change their name to Never Been Crappier. Grimm has a set slot…TBBT saw their uptick cuz of snydication not because they moved timeslots. Now if GRIMM gets that far ( and I’m pretty sure it will) then we can agree, until then it should stay put…because anywhere esle is poison right now. And again…it was on Mondays for 4 weeks and there was virtually no change ( yes I know it was in August but still with all that promo it should went higher than a 2 for it’s premiere). Grimm has Fridays locked for NBC…what NBC should do is make it a lead in for another campy genre show ( Darcula?) and then move it after next season as a test.

    Grimm has already tested this season and we saw the result. It should stay on Fridays for now.

  • cra

    How odd that Saturday night has become the night where shows go to die. There was a time when Saturday night had huge hits – Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart , Carol Burnett, etc. I wonder what happened.

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