NBC: 'Grimm' Is Certain To Be Renewed; Why Do Fans Want It Moved From Friday?

Categories: Cancel/Renew Index,Cancel/Renew NBC Shows

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March 19th, 2013

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Our Renew / Cancel Index predicts the network's decision on renewal or cancellation for scripted broadcast primetime shows by the end of the 2012-13 season in May, 2013.  (includes results from December 31, 2012- March 10, 2013):

Program Status Renew/ Cancel Index
Do No Harm* canceled 0.50
Smash canceled 0.65
Animal Practice* canceled 0.66
The New Normal :oops: 0.77
1600 Penn :oops: 0.78
Guys With Kids* :oops: 0.81
Whitney :| :| :| 0.90
Deception :oops: 0.90
Go On :| :| :| 0.90
Community :| :| :| 0.92
30 Rock* final season complete 0.93
Grimm (F) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.01
Parenthood* :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.08
Parks & Recreation :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.14
Law & Order: SVU :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.21
Chicago Fire :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 1.43
The Office final season 1.43
Up All Night :oops: pending
Revolution :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: pending

The cancellation bear has been predicting that Grimm was certain to be renewed all season, why put it in the headline now? First, it hadn't been in the headline all season. Second, the headline question is one that often comes up in our comments. Third, the bear's still treading water on making any more definitive predictions on the three "toss up" sitcoms. (Community's dive back to a 1.1 rating last week got the bear to tread water even longer).

Back to the headline question. If a show is certain to be renewed, why should fans care when it airs? (other than personal scheduling like "I party on Fridays").

Typical responses to that question are along the lines of "It deserves better". What does that even mean? The best a TV show can hope for (from a fan's perspective) is renewal.

To pre-emptively answer those who'll howl that Smash has not been canceled, shows that are moved to Saturday in the middle of their run are canceled. To argue otherwise makes you look silly. Or worse.

Better to Follow The Bear, Than Be Chased By Him. This season you can follow the Cancellation Bear on Twitter via @TheCancelBear. The Cancellation Bear will retweet all the Renew/Cancel Index post titles and links as well as engage in a little more back and forth banter than we do on our standard @TVbytheNumbers Twitter feed.

*shows no longer on the air have their Renew/Cancel Index "frozen" at the point they left the schedule.

From now through the end of the broadcast season in May, the Renew/Cancel Index values will only be calculated using new episodes airing during 2013. However, until new episodes of a show air in 2013, I will keep the "old"  Fall predictions in the table.

Want to know what the NBC Renew/Cancel Index table looked like at the end of the Fall season? Click here.


  • :oops: - certain to be cancelled by May, 2013
  • :cry: :cry:- more likely to be cancelled than renewed by May, 2013
  • :| :| :| - toss up between renewal or cancellation by May, 2013
  • :) :) :) :) - more likely to be renewed than cancelled by May, 2013
  • :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: - certain to be renewed by May, 2013

The Renew/Cancel Index is the ratio of a scripted show's new episode adults 18-49 ratings relative to the new episode ratings of the other scripted shows on its own network. It's calculated by dividing a show's new episode Live+Same Day adults 18-49 average rating by the Live+Same Day new episode average of all the new scripted show episodes on the show's own network. The network's average ratings in the calculation are not time weighted (ie. hour long shows are not weighted twice what 30 minute shows are).

(F) -Fridays: Shows airing on Fridays were renewed with significantly lower than average Indexes.

How would the Renew / Cancel Index Have Done Predicting Last Season's Scripted Show Fates? Check out how the Renew / Cancel Index predicted renewals and cancellations from past television seasons.

  • Brian J


    Unless NBC radically changes its scheduling for both Grimm and most of its shows, I don’t think it’s moving to that night. Right now, it’s set up like a traditional show, as opposed to a cable show, and it just wouldn’t fit. So nobody will be forced to choose between that show and The Walking Dead.


    Overall, I think shows being cancelled absolutely does factor into some viewing decisions–not based on the specific ratings, but more so based on the fact that, for whatever reason, they think the show won’t be there next week. After all, last season, a show wasn’t there, as was the case the season before. I don’t think this makes all the difference in the world, but I think it does make a difference. That’s why I think stability is a big asset to a schedule.

    As for specific ratings, you wouldn’t even need to mention that. The line could be, “We like this show, and we think you will, too. It’s sticking around for a while, so enjoy it! And tell your friends!” or something. Producers could plan accordingly when writing show, just to make sure.

    I really think there’s something to this, with certain types of shows. Part of getting it to work would be getting a big tune in, which in some ways seems to determine the fate of shows, but while hard, that’s not impossible.

    AS for Awake, I don’t know why the show struggled. There could be a few reasons. But I, for one, stopped paying attention once I knew it was unlikely to be renewed. If I was able to catch an episode, great, but if not, no big deal. As I said above, people know that shows are pulled, even if they aren’t sure why. It’s happened in the past and will happen in the future. I just think there’s a decent chance of building an audience in some cases if people know a show will run through and/or will stick around–because it’s on a certain night on a certain network, because it’s announced as such, or something like that. And certainly, an audience that is devoted but still absurdly small won’t be good enough, but again, that’s where the initial tune in is key. If a show premieres at a 2.5 and drops all the way to a 1.5 and stays there, that’s one thing, but a 1.5 to a .9 isn’t good enough.

    In general, I think networks need to try new things, and this, or something like it, sounded intriguing.

  • Brian J


    What new L&O show?


    I’ve said the same thing in the past in regards to Grimm and Chicago Fire, because I think that show could pull the same ratings on Fridays as it does on Wednesdays, but I suspect NBC will leave CF where it is. It seems to be working, whether or not it moves SVU, as I think it should, it has plenty that could go along with it. The same can be said for Grimm. I think NBC should pair two or three similar dramas on Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays, no matter where they go, and be in good shape. I wouldn’t have ordered CF, because it seems…kind of bland, but beggars like NBC can’t always be choosers.

  • were123

    What’s working right now on NBC is drama, so they should cut their comedy time. The highest rated shows on NBC right now are all dramas: Revolution, Parenthood, Chicago Fire, Grimm, SVU. Only The Office (which will end this season) and Parks generate some numbers worth keeping (you know, for NBC). NBC shouldn’t renew many comedies, go Parks, Community (because once in a while it can draw a 1.9 or a 1.5) and… that’s it, generate a thursday only for comedy, use Tuesdays’ Voice result show to launch a drama. They should make a schedule like this:

    8-10: Voice:
    10:00: New drama

    8:00: Voice result show
    9:00: New drama
    10:00: Parenthood.

    8:00: SVU
    9:00: Chicago Fire.
    10:00: Revolution

    8:00- Michael J. Fox Comedy
    8:30- Community
    9:00- Parks & Recreation
    9:30- New Comedy (or Go On if it manages to do somehow well in this timeslot)
    10:00- Filler like Rock Center (or Hannibal if it pulls a miracle)

    8:00: New drama or Hannibal (give Grimm a lead in! It could be a returning Hannibal if it pulls 1.5s on Thursdays, Dracula or Crossbones)
    9:00: Grimm
    10:00: Dateline

    The network should only have comedies for thursdays and start focusing on dramas. Then, little by little, start pushing some comedies away (the mediocre/middle ones), while developing more dramas that can work.
    They could still renew Whitney as a back up in case some comedy flops too hard, and have some for midseason, but as things are now NBC needs to focus on drama, just as The CW needs to work around genre shows

  • omabin

    I really think that NBC should have the biggest looser in the fall. It could really help it to stabilize the schedule and launch something. They have the olympics this year, so they don’t need to bridge the voice cyles. In spring, they can launch something else on that timeslot after pumpint it with olympics promotion.

  • K_ras

    I like Grimm and record it every week. One reason someone might want it moved from Friday is that it poses a recording conflict with another show.

    Other than that moving it from Friday night is akin to someone wanting their favorite team to take on a stronger opponent. It serves to showcase how really good they are. The problem with that is, they might lose, and their career might end. So moving Grimm to another night is a good idea if you want to take the risk of bringing down the show.

  • Grimman

    I like Grimm on Fridays. It gives me a show to watch on Saturday, or early Sunday on the PVR.

  • k:Alex

    @Brain This is what I found on internet:
    ‘On October 27, 2012, it was announced that another Law & Order spinoff was being put into development for 2013-14, making it Wolf’s sixth L&O series.’
    It is only contradictory that there is not much to find.

  • Otto

    What does it even mean for a show be moved because it ‘deserves’ better.

    Pretty much everyone has DVR or TIVO now. What you really want is it to be renewed over and over again.

  • Suz

    Keep Grimm on Friday nights! NBC! Why do you always have to ruin a good thing???

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