Bubble Watch: 'Wonderland,' 'Beauty And The Beast' & 'Nashville' Head For Cancellation, 'Tomorrow People' Towards Renewal

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October 13th, 2013

SOPHIE LOWE

When it comes to bubble status, like the Renew/Cancel Index we're focusing on the likelihood that a show will be renewed **for next season** (2014-15).  Certain shows are toss-ups where based on the ratings, the renewal decisions could go either way and not be surprising.

Here, “canceled” is used interchangeably with “won’t be renewed for next season” and is not meant to imply a show will be yanked off the schedule in the current season though obviously the two outcomes are not mutually exclusive. The semantics police and lawyers should feel free to break out the handcuffs and plead their cases in the comments. 

This Isn't The Renew/Cancel Index

Though the basic methodology is the same (intra-network relative ranking of shows by adults 18-49 ),unlike the Renew/Cancel Index which predicts what would happen if the season ended now, Bubble Watch prognosticates about what will happen by May. The two are still usually closely aligned, and almost certainly very closely aligned towards the end of the season.

Network Goals: The 2013-2014 Schedule Summary

At this year’s upfronts, I saw a number of articles exclaiming how the author didn’t know why Network X had the schedule they did. Personally, each network’s goals seemed clear and reasonable. My views on each network’s goal (and how various shows are doing this week) follows:

ABC

Primary Goal: Avoid more leaks.

A mountain of ink (and pixels) has been written about NBC’s struggles over the last half decade. The truth of the matter is that ABC hasn’t fared much better; roughly one success a season has given the impression they aren’t in shambles.

ABC’s situation is so shaky that their goal was simple: leave any veteran doing even adequate ratings where it was and try new shows in the holes on the schedule. The last thing the network needs is to move, say, Castle, and have it fall apart in its new timeslot and the show that replaced Castle fail as well. None of the veterans have significantly fallen apart from last year, but the rookies haven’t fared so well:

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has fallen almost 40% since its premiere; this week’s rating was still the third highest drama on TV (The Blacklist & Scandal were tied for first). In no surprise, the show was given a backorder.

The Goldbergs, even with that lead-in, has fallen below all the veteran comedies. Its survival probably depends on how many comedy hours ABC goes with next year.

Once Upon A Time in Wonderland premiered at only 75% of ABC’s scripted average for the year. Chalk up another one to the ABC Death Slot.

CBS

Primary Goal: Try new comedies.

Secondary Goal: Investigate 10pm options.

CBS has a rare problem: too many of their comedies were successes. The catch is that How I Met Your Mother is ending, Two and a Half Men is getting old and expensive, and Mike & Molly isn’t a break-out hit. How does CBS aim for multiple new comedies to replenish the ranks when they only have one or two timeslots to work with?

Answer: Expand to four comedy hours (and eat NBC’s former lunch in the process).

However, the gambit hasn’t particularly worked, so far:

We Are Men only dropped 10% in Week 2. However, it started off so low that the first two weeks’ numbers led to its cancellation, and a schedule shuffle on Monday.

Mom will now have The Big Bang Theory repeats as its lead-in for a few weeks; I am unconvinced they will goose Mom enough before the backorder decision has to be made.

The Millers only dropped 9% in Week 2; score another victory for the power of The Big Bang Theory.

The Crazy Ones still hasn’t settled, dropping another 17% this week. One single-cam already down; one more to go?

As for 10pm, people like to say that CBS is immune to how TV works nowadays. This is wrong. CBS still feels the pressures the rest of the industry faces, they just feel them roughly 5 years after NBC does. First Friday fell apart, then Sunday, and now the 10pm hour. (This sort of temporal shift isn’t uncommon; for a while ABC was running one year behind NBC).

To combat this, CBS tried everything they could this year in the hour:

Hostages, a serial with a well-known cast and high production values, continues to flounder and won’t be renewed.

Person Of Interest was CBS’ newest drama hit; at 10pm, it has dropped down to numbers equivalent to what CSI and Elementary do.

CSI and Elementary continue to chug along, though no one will be shouting about their numbers.

Or to review, the expensive serial didn’t work, nor did the fresh contender break out. I think CSI and its ilk will be running for years at 10pm, as long as they can continue to cycle out expensive cast members.

CW

Primary Goal: Avoid Singing Competitions

CW doesn’t have much real estate to work with; even worse, what little they have plays chicken with the kinds of singing competitions favored by the W18-34 the network used to target.

Hart Of Dixie was thrown under The Voice bus; only down a tick or so from Tuesdays last year, it will hit its syndication lap next year, even if it ends up on Fridays.

Beauty & The Beast didn’t fare so well vs. The Voice, dropping 40% from how it ended last year. If it drops any more, it has a very real chance of being swapped out for The Carrie Diaries.

The Originals, not up against a new The Voice, did as well in its regular timeslot as Arrow did this week.

Supernatural returned as the #1 rated show of the week for The CW. Frankly, the show’s survival is one of the more interesting stories of The CW’s history.

The Tomorrow People did as well as its Arrow lead-in against The X-Factor. If it holds up as well against AI, it’ll be back next year.

FOX

Primary Goal: Grow new dramas.

Fox doesn’t have much in the way of dramas – Bones is getting older, Glee is only a hit amongst W18-34, and who knows how The Following will return. So cue a schedule that allows Fox to aim all their promotional power at one new drama at a time.

Sleepy Hollow already succeeded in getting a second season – though not a backorder, as the schedule is already overcrowded with unscheduled Glee and Gang Related episodes. Next up to bat: Almost Human.

NBC

Primary Goal: Use The Voice.

Secondary Goal: Reboot Thursdays.

The Voice and Sunday Night Football are the only real strengths of NBC’s schedule. NBC wisely decided to use The Voice to aid their dramas: to give The Blacklist a healthy start and try and bump Chicago Fire into the kind of show that anchors a night.

Chicago Fire, airing after a The Voice clip show, was up about half a point vs. its performance on Wednesdays late last year. The Voice seems to be working.

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for Thursdays, as the entire lineup tied or did worse than Parks & Recreation did against The Big Bang Theory. That sort of performance doesn’t make you wonder about how they schedule the night next year, it makes you wonder about who will do it.

Note: only scripted shows that have aired at least one episode this season are in the table below.
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Show Network Status
Lucky 7 ABC Canceled
How I Met Your Mother CBS Final Season
We Are Men CBS Canceled
American Dad Fox Moving to TBS
tvbythenumbers.com
Back In The Game ABC Cancellation Predicted
Betrayal ABC Cancellation Predicted
Nashville ABC Cancellation Predicted
The Neighbors ABC Cancellation Predicted
Once Upon A Time in Wonderland ABC Cancellation Predicted
Trophy Wife ABC Cancellation Predicted
The Good Wife CBS Cancellation Predicted
Hawaii Five-0 CBS Cancellation Predicted
Hostages CBS Cancellation Predicted
The Mentalist CBS Cancellation Predicted
Mom CBS Cancellation Predicted
Beauty & The Beast CW Cancellation Predicted
Brooklyn Nine-Nine Fox Cancellation Predicted
Dads Fox Cancellation Predicted
The Mindy Project Fox Cancellation Predicted
Ironside NBC Cancellation Predicted
Parenthood NBC Cancellation Predicted
Revolution NBC Cancellation Predicted
Sean Saves The World NBC Cancellation Predicted
Welcome To The Family NBC Cancellation Predicted
tvbythenumbers.com
The Goldbergs ABC On The Bubble
Super Fun Night ABC On The Bubble
Two and a Half Men CBS On The Bubble
tvbythenumbers.com
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ABC Renewal Predicted
Castle ABC Renewal Predicted
Grey's Anatomy ABC Renewal Predicted
Last Man Standing ABC Renewal Predicted
The Middle ABC Renewal Predicted
Modern Family ABC Renewal Predicted
Once Upon A Time ABC Renewal Predicted
Revenge ABC Renewal Predicted
Scandal ABC Renewal Predicted
The Big Bang Theory CBS Renewal Predicted
Blue Bloods CBS Renewal Predicted
The Crazy Ones CBS Renewal Predicted
Criminal Minds CBS Renewal Predicted
CSI CBS Renewal Predicted
Elementary CBS Renewal Predicted
The Millers CBS Renewal Predicted
NCIS CBS Renewal Predicted
NCIS: LA CBS Renewal Predicted
Person Of Interest CBS Renewal Predicted
2 Broke Girls CBS Renewal Predicted
Arrow CW Renewal Predicted
Hart Of Dixie CW Renewal Predicted
The Originals CW Renewal Predicted
Supernatural CW Renewal Predicted
The Tomorrow People CW Renewal Predicted
The Vampire Diaries CW Renewal Predicted
Bones Fox Renewal Predicted
Family Guy Fox Renewal Predicted
The New Girl Fox Renewal Predicted
The Blacklist NBC Renewal Predicted
Chicago Fire NBC Renewal Predicted
Law & Order: SVU NBC Renewal Predicted
The Michael J Fox Show NBC Renewal Predicted
Parks & Recreation NBC Renewal Predicted
tvbythenumbers.com
Bob's Burgers Fox Renewed
Glee Fox Renewed
The Simpsons Fox Renewed
Sleepy Hollow Fox Renewed

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  • CBSviewer

    Here are my predictions:

    CBS
    How I Met Your Mother = Final Season
    2 Broke Girls = Certain Renewal
    Mike & Molly = Certain Renewal
    Mom = Likely Cancelation
    Hostages = Certain Cancelation
    NCIS = Certain Renewal
    NCIS: Los Angeles = Certain Renewal
    Person of Interest = Certain Renewal
    Criminal Minds = Certain Renewal
    CSI = Certain Renewal
    The Big Bang Theory = Certain Renewal (two years)
    The Millers = Likely Renewal
    The Crazy Ones = Likely Renewal
    Two and a Half Men = Toss-Up (Depends on the Cast)
    Elementary = Likely Renewal
    Hawaii Five-0 = Likely Renewal
    Blue Bloods = Likely Renewal
    The Good Wife = Likely Cancelation
    The Mentalist = Likely Cancelation

    ABC
    Castle = Certain Renewal
    S.H.I.E.L.D. = Certain Renewal
    The Goldbergs = Toss-Up
    Trophy Wife = Likely Cancelation
    The Middle = Certain Renewal
    Back in the Game = Toss-Up
    Modern Family = Certain Renewal
    Super Fun Night = Toss-Up
    Nashville = Likely Cancelation
    Once Upon a Time in Wonderland = Toss-Up (too soon to tell)
    Grey’s Anatomy = Likely Renewal (Depends on the Cast)
    Scandal = Certain Renewal
    Last Man Standing = Certain Renewal
    The Neighbors = Certain Cancelation
    Once Upon a Time = Certain Renewal
    Revenge = Certain Renewal
    Betrayal = Certain Cancelation

    NBC
    The Blacklist = Certain Renewal
    Chicago Fire = Certain Renewal
    Revolution = Toss-Up
    Law & Order: SVU = Certain Renewal
    Ironside = Certain Cancelation
    Parks & Recreation = Certain Renewal
    Welcome to the Family = Certain Cancelation
    Sean Saves the World = Certain Cancelation
    The Michael J. Fox Show = Likely Renewal
    Parenthood = Certain Renewal
    Grimm = Certain Renewal

    FOX
    Bones = Certain Renewal
    Sleepy Hollow = Already Renewed
    Dads = Toss-Up (FOX ordered six more scripts so maybe…)
    Brooklyn Nine-Nine = Toss-Up
    New Girl = Certain Renewal
    The Mindy Project = Toss-Up
    Glee = Already Renewed
    The Simpsons = Already Renewed
    Bob’s Burgers = Already Renewed
    Family Guy = Certain Renewal
    American Dad = Moves to TBS

    CW
    Hart of Dixie = Certain Renewal
    Beauty and the Beast = Likely Cancelation
    The Originals = Certain Renewal
    Supernatural = Certain Renewal
    Arrow = Certain Renewal
    The Tomorrow People = Likely Renewal
    The Vampire Diaries = Certain Renewal

    Thoughts ?

  • Masterbreel

    Like this Tom! Great work!

  • Mike

    If you honestly think that CBS will cancel 4 of its fall dramas then you need to check your drinking water…

    CBS has 2 midseason dramas waiting which are: intelligence and reckless

    Chances are that more than likely that 1 of those 2 will definitely be canceled and also likely that both will be canceled as no midseason drama on CBS has been renewed in many years…

    Therefore CBS will likely only cancel only 1-2 of its fall dramas if none of the midseasons get renewed avd 2-3 If they do…

    Also can someone please explain to me why Tom Shaw would put Hawaii Five-0 in certain cancelation and Blue Bloods in renewal???? Ummm what… Don’t they both pull the same ratings and H50 has a syndication deal while Blue bloods Doesn’t…..

    Also I do remember that tom said he’s waiting to see how it holds up against NBC’s Friday shows…. That makes no sense at all unless you personally don’t like the show… You might as well be saying that you put good wife and mentalist in certain cancelation because your waiting to see how they do up against NBC’s Beleive and Crisis in midseason.. I’m not saying that those 2 shows should or should not be in cancelation predicted, I’m just saying you waiting and keeping h50 in certain cancelation is basically saying you believe that the ratings will fail when those shows premier instead of working on current facts… it should be on the bubble at least

    Sorry for my long RANT…lol

    Let me know if you guys agree or am I just crazy

  • AniMatsuri

    Only 3 shows so far on the bubble. Not much of a Bubble Watch.

  • AdamP

    WOO! My bubble watch:

    ABC

    Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. – LIKELY RENEWAL
    Back in the Game – ON THE BUBBLE
    Betrayal – CERTAIN CANCELLATION
    Castle – LIKELY RENEWAL
    The Goldbergs – LIKELY RENEWAL
    Grey’s Anatomy – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    Last Man Standing – LIKELY RENEWAL
    The Middle – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    Modern Family – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    Nashville – ON THE BUBBLE
    The Neighbors – LIKELY CANCELLATION
    Once Upon a Time – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    Once Upon a Time in Wonderland – LIKELY CANCELLATION
    Revenge – LIKELY RENEWAL
    Scandal – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    Super Fun Night – ON THE BUBBLE
    Trophy Wife – ON THE BUBBLE

    CBS

    2 Broke Girls – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    The Big Bang Theory – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    Blue Bloods – LIKELY RENEWAL
    The Crazy Ones – LIKELY RENEWAL
    Criminal Minds – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    CSI – LIKELY RENEWAL
    Elementary – LIKELY RENEWAL
    The Good Wife – ON THE BUBBLE
    Hawaii Five-0 – LIKELY RENEWAL
    Hostages – CERTAIN CANCELLATION
    The Mentalist – ON THE BUBBLE
    The Millers – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    Mom – ON THE BUBBLE
    NCIS – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    NCIS: Los Angeles – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    Person of Interest – LIKELY RENEWAL
    Two and a Half Men – LIKELY RENEWAL

    CW

    Arrow – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    Beauty & the Beast – CERTAIN CANCELLATION
    Hart of Dixie – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    The Originals – LIKELY RENEWAL
    Supernatural – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    The Tomorrow People – LIKELY RENEWAL
    The Vampire Diaries – CERTAIN RENEWAL

    FOX

    Bones – LIKELY RENEWAL
    Brooklyn Nine-Nine – ON THE BUBBLE
    Dads – LIKELY CANCELLATION
    Family Guy – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    The Mindy Project – ON THE BUBBLE
    New Girl – CERTAIN RENEWAL

    NBC

    The Blacklist – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    Chicago Fire – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    Ironside – CERTAIN CANCELLATION
    Law & Order: SVU – CERTAIN RENEWAL
    The Michael J. Fox Show – LIKELY RENEWAL
    Parenthood – ON THE BUBBLE
    Parks & Recreation – LIKELY RENEWAL
    Revolution – ON THE BUBBLE
    Sean Saves the World – LIKELY CANCELLATION
    Welcome to the Family – CERTAIN CANCELLATION

    By the way, I am only 15 years old and if you’d like to hire me based on my (pretty great) predictions please feel free.

  • Eelna

    I thought wonderland was great, but it belongs to disney, abc family or to the cw. The cw is much better in doing fantasy shows, they dont look that unrealistic.

  • James

    NBC
    Revolution looks safer with the rest of the lineup falling apart. If it can maintain a 1.5-1.6 it may gain a renewal.
    MJF’s rating’s already dropped to the level of P&R and Parenthood. It’ll be on air till May, but remain as toss-up throughout the season.

  • nicola83

    My predictions:

    CBS
    How I Met Your Mother = Final Season
    2 Broke Girls = Certain Renewal
    Mike & Molly = Likely Renewal
    Mom = On the bubble
    Hostages = Certain Cancelation
    NCIS = Certain Renewal
    NCIS: Los Angeles = Certain Renewal
    Person of Interest = Certain Renewal
    Criminal Minds = Certain Renewal
    CSI = Certain Renewal
    The Big Bang Theory = Certain Renewal
    The Millers = Likely Renewal
    The Crazy Ones = On the bubble
    Two and a Half Men = On the bubble
    Elementary = On the bubble
    Hawaii Five-0 = Likely Renewal
    Blue Bloods = Likely Renewal
    The Good Wife = Likely Cancelation
    The Mentalist = Likely Cancelation

    ABC
    Castle = Certain Renewal
    S.H.I.E.L.D. = Likely Renewal
    The Goldbergs = On the bubble
    Trophy Wife = Likely Cancelation
    The Middle = Certain Renewal
    Back in the Game = Likely Cancelation
    Modern Family = Certain Renewal
    Super Fun Night = On the bubble
    Nashville = On the bubble
    Once Upon a Time in Wonderland = On the bubble
    Grey’s Anatomy = Certain Renewal
    Scandal = Certain Renewal
    Last Man Standing = Likely Renewal
    The Neighbors = Certain Cancelation
    Once Upon a Time = Certain Renewal
    Revenge = Likely Renewal
    Betrayal = Certain Cancelation

    NBC
    The Blacklist = Likely Renewal
    Chicago Fire = Certain Renewal
    Revolution = On the bubble
    Law & Order: SVU = Certain Renewal
    Ironside = Certain Cancelation
    Parks & Recreation = Likely Renewal
    Welcome to the Family = Certain Cancelation
    Sean Saves the World = Certain Cancelation
    The Michael J. Fox Show = On the bubble
    Parenthood = On the bubble
    Grimm = Certain Renewal

    FOX
    Bones = Certain Renewal
    Sleepy Hollow = Already Renewed
    Dads = Likely cancelation
    Brooklyn Nine-Nine = On the bubble
    New Girl = Certain Renewal
    The Mindy Project = On the bubble
    Glee = Already Renewed
    The Simpsons = Already Renewed
    Bob’s Burgers = Already Renewed
    Family Guy = Certain Renewal
    American Dad = Moves to TBS

    CW
    Hart of Dixie = Likely Renewal
    Beauty and the Beast = Certain Cancelation
    The Originals = Certain Renewal
    Supernatural = Certain Renewal
    Arrow = Certain Renewal
    The Tomorrow People = Likely Renewal
    The Vampire Diaries = Certain Renewal

  • anna g

    CBS
    Primary Goal: Try new comedies.
    Secondary Goal: Investigate 10pm options.

    CBS has a rare problem: too many of their comedies were successes. The catch is that How I Met Your Mother is ending, Two and a Half Men is getting old and expensive, and Mike & Molly isn’t a break-out hit. How does CBS aim for multiple new comedies to replenish the ranks when they only have one or two timeslots to work with?
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    As for 10pm, people like to say that CBS is immune to how TV works nowadays. This is wrong. CBS still feels the pressures the rest of the industry faces, they just feel them roughly 5 years after NBC does. First Friday fell apart, then Sunday, and now the 10pm hour. (This sort of temporal shift isn’t uncommon; for a while ABC was running one year behind NBC).

    To combat this, CBS tried everything they could this year in the hour:
    Hostages, a serial with a well-known cast and high production values, continues to flounder and won’t be renewed.
    Person Of Interest was CBS’ newest drama hit; at 10pm, it has dropped down to numbers equivalent to what CSI and Elementary do.
    CSI and Elementary continue to chug along, though no one will be shouting about their numbers.

    Or to review, the expensive serial didn’t work, nor did the fresh contender break out. I think CSI and its ilk will be running for years at 10pm, as long as they can continue to cycle out expensive cast members.
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    Try new comedies? Isn’t this what they are doing this year and failing miserably? First of all, removal of Mike and Molly which had very good ratings (around 3.0) was a huge mistake. Instead we have two new comedies both of which will probably be cancelled. Its good that 2BG is helding up pretty nicely considering the disastrous Monday schedule.
    On Thursday CBS removed successful PoI garnering 3.0 ratings and 15-16 million veiwers and replaced it with 2 new comedies and changed TAHM slot- at least one show will be cancelled (The crazy ones). None of these shows comes even close to ratings of PoI. Clearly new comedies are not working – maybe there is a problem with topics in those shows: Mom is about recovering alcoholic who neglected children – hardly anything funny about that.

    As for 10 pm slot, the downward trend has continued. Last year it was already clear and this season is even worse. CBS shows usually getting 2.3 like CSI or Elementary are barely getting 2.0 now.

    As for the list of predicted cancellation – you put all 3 shows: H50, TGW and TM on the list so what’s left for CBS then? Hostages are dead and I am not giving Intelligence big chances because the trailer looks bland. What will CBS put on Friday 9 pm if H50 gets cancelled? My guess is PoI because it has very similar situation to H50 last season. it’s in third season, it has syndication deal and its ratings collapsed – the difference is there was a time slot change.
    So what is left for Tuesday 10 pm then?

  • James

    I also think Back in the Game gets a higher chance of renewal than the Goldbergs because it’s sandwiched between The Middle and Modern Family. The Goldbergs gets a big lead-in, but is also exposed to competition as well.

  • James

    @Mike
    I guess Tom’s prediction is solely based on ratings. Because the Good Wife, The Mentalist and Hawaii Five-O pull the same low ratings, they may all get canceled. It’s unlikely to cancel all of them though.

  • Justin121

    @Jason,

    You’re hopeless.

    I’m gonna try this one more time.

    ABC is not gonna cancel an OK-rated sophomre drama when the rest of their dramas are either:

    a) Old (Grey’s, Castle)

    or

    b) Have been all over the place, ratings-wise (RVG, Scandal, OUAT).

    Last year ratings:

    Scandal went from 2.0 to 3.2, to 3.6 to 3.1 this season
    Once went from 3.9 to 2.3
    Revenge from 3.2 to 1.5
    Nashville remained between 1.5 and 2.0 the entire season

    No, Sandal won’t get cancelled but could easily go down closer to Nashville’s level than its own bar-setting 3.6s and 3.2s.

    Once and Revenge already there.

    For better or worse, and given the once-again complete ABC drama strike out, those four are the future of ABC.

  • Fionn518

    I really hope Once Upon a Time in Wonderland isnt cancelled, I really love it, it isnt fair that people are giving it such a hard time after just one episode either.

  • omabin

    This is getting very ridiculous. Would you care to explain why:
    – Revolution scores 1 tenth lower than SVU and goes to certain cancellation whereas SVU goes to certain renewal. You do know there is something called the bubble in the middle right?

    – H50 scores the same as Blue Bloods (or higher last week) and goes to certain cancellation and Blue Bloods goes certain renewal… Again. Bubble?

    Most commenters here have more accurate, consistent and reasonable predictions that you have. No offense to you, but Robert needs to get back.

  • reidjr

    Is there a risk the Cw might not be around next year?

  • Duarte

    Nashville should open the Thursdays nights on ABC

  • Mike 1

    I remember reading last seasons, week after week, how the 10 pm slot had turned into another type of graveyard for television , and that weaker numbers for shows there were acceptable because the bar was really low.
    So assuming that continues the same way, I can see why BB is in the Renewal prediction list while H50 is in the Predicted cancelation list.
    Because BB is in the tougher 10 pm slot , it makes sense to say it is doing better than H50 that should be getting better numbers at 9 pm. BB, same demo and more total viewers.
    But I still say that until NBC and FOX start airing their regular programing there, specially NBC , the numbers of H50 and BB are not saying much right now . They can really drop a lot soon.

  • Lostobsessed

    I think people and ABC are looking at the Thursday 8pm death slot the wrong way. We know as well as ABC this slot doesn’t work very well, however OUAT in wonderland will already have some solid fan base carried over from OUAT. ABC also had a 20 min preview of the episode online, bad mistake in my eyes. Before we write off wonderland i think we and ABC should think about how they are going to have another Thursday 8pm hit. . . The turn over for this slot is so high, no show has a chance here. If they just left a show there knowing nothing ever rates well there anyway, then it might just build a fan base and ratings may increase or at the very least level off. ABC know they cant pull anything above a 2 rating for very long,so if wonderland can maintain between 1.5 and 2, wouldnt that be a hit in its own right? just because a show cant pull in the ratings like its other Thursday line up, doesnt mean its failing. I think ABC should just accept that they wont get a show to pull in the ratings they are used to so they should just accept that these kind of rating are the ratings they should be expecting in this slot, meaning wonderland may fair pretty well here especially if the cross over between OUAT and wonderland pay off.

  • Fake Me Out

    Happy Thanksgiving to all the hosers living in the Great White North, eh!

  • Melissa

    @Justin121

    Last year ratings:

    Scandal went from 2.0 to 3.2, to 3.6 to 3.1 this season
    Once went from 3.9 to 2.3
    Revenge from 3.2 to 1.5
    Nashville remained between 1.5 and 2.0 the entire season

    No, Sandal won’t get cancelled but could easily go down closer to Nashville’s level than its own bar-setting 3.6s and 3.2s.

    Your argument is ridiculous. Once Upon a Time and Revenge will be renewed regardless of their ratings due to syndication purposes.

    There are no signs that Scandal is randomly going to drop into the 1’s, especially considering it’s been on the upswing since the end of 2012.

    Nashville’s ratings may be consistent, but they’re consistently BAD, and the show doesn’t have syndication on its side. I’m not saying it will be cancelled, but it has a MUCH better chance of cancellation than the other three dramas you’ve listed.

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